Shots Fired As Bungie Takes A Jab At No Man’s Sky

Destiny Design Head talks No Man’s Sky procedural generation and UI aesthetics

In many ways, Destiny and No Man’s Sky share a lot of similarities. Both titles deal with intergalactic travel, with sci-fi and futuristic themes. But they also share another aspect, something which Hello Games might not be too eager to acknowledge.

First spotted by Gamespot’s Alex Newhouse way back in July, No Man’s Sky apparently takes its UI design inspiration from Destiny, to the point where it could be considered questionable. The menu items and upgrade tree look very similar to Destiny’s design, something which hasn’t gone unnoticed at Bungie.

In an interview with Metro, Destiny’s World Design Lead Steve Cotton opened up about No Man’s Sky. Although the interview was regarding the upcoming Destiny expansion pack Rise of Iron, things quickly took an interesting turn when the interviewer inquired about Cotton’s take on No Man’s Sky.

Unsurprisingly, Cotton knew about the whole UI fiasco, and jokingly implied that Hello Games copied Destiny’s UI design.

On a more serious note, Cotton gave Bungie’s stance on why the studio refuses to take the ‘procedural generation’ route with its game world. According to Cotton, games which are handcrafted by designers rather than being generated through an algorithm are much more unique and interesting. This is simply due to the intentional nature of the design, as every single element in the world is placed due to a reason.

Cotton stated that for Bungie, just creating a huge world, something he referred to as ‘real estate’, is not enough for a good experience. It is very important to fill that world with interesting things to do, otherwise the players would get bored.

He said that he had nothing against No Man’s Sky, though he felt that games which are not crafted manually find it hard to deliver memorable moments. Funnily enough, this is also one of the major complaints from the people who’ve played No Man’s Sky.

Destiny: Rise of Iron will release for the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 on September 20. The expansion pack will be the first piece of Destiny content skipping its release on legacy consoles, as part of Bungie’s future plans for Destiny.

  • Drew Davis

    Destiny doesn’t have “intergalactic” travel… It doesn’t even get you out of the solar system.

    • wow

      But at least tgere is an objective…

      • J.j. Barrington

        Which is one of the things NMS intentionally doesn’t have.

        • wow

          which is why is the game was probably the biggest flop of 2016.
          E3 2014 vs reality youtube video: “Welcome to No Man’s Sky [Jurassic Park Parody]”
          Generic planet/ecosystems, terrible graphics, aimlessly wander. Who would be stupid enough to buy the game for $70? I don’t know if I would buy it for $15.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Um, okay?

      • Trailmix

        What’s the objective? To grind raids and events for useless exotics?!

        • HAppY_KrAToS

          …Making people play 40 hours to try to earn 1 single leg. item not usable by their current characters …. and making people feel so desperate about that, that they will even accept to sell their kidney or 1 testicle, just to make enough money to buy a couple of loot boxes…. and open them just to find out the only way to have 5% of chances to find a legendary item they can ACTUALLY use is by spending real money… hundreds and hundreds of that real money.

          Some dialogs on the current game:
          ‘oh, mister xoxo, sorry but I don’t have time to explain you why I don’t have time to explain’…

          People are weak… most are quite dumb… so these companies know exactly how to exploit that weakness. ..
          Dumb… like, ex, those guys that will buy a season pass for batman arkham knight , without knowing what kind of content they will be getting, etc…
          Dumb… like those guys who will pay 120 or 150 bucks for the ‘platinum’ or ‘ultimate’ version, that only gives them some extra in-game cash or a few items, to be used once on multi-player. .
          dumb… like the guys who will spend 90 bucks on a few million credits for gta online, they will barely be able to buy a little house and a car, or airplane, to use on the online portion of the game…and in 2 minutes, the 90 bucks are gone…

          Of course, with idiots like that, companies are laughing… really hard.

          • KHAOTIC

            I find in life the only idiots are the people calling other people idiots. You should move to China, communism sounds more like your cup of tea

          • Iron Patriot

            This is funny, you clearly have never played Destiny, there is only 1 thing you can pay for in destiny, silver coins and it only gets you cool exclusive rewards that you can get easily by other means. To pay for legs you need to buy Sterling treasure and you get three of them for free every week anyway and the legs (or anything else for that matter) are not rare anyway. And legendries are very common in game and most of the items you can get in sterling treasure are legendary! Have you ever even played never mind bought anything form Destiny?

          • Robert

            And we love those idiots… not

        • wow

          I don’t like destiny, but come on NMS. Amazon, Sony and steam created a new refund policy just for that game. You literally fly around to a random planet which you will never see anyone or no one else will ever be there. look at some generic creatures then fly to the next. How boring is that?
          I got bored within 24 hours of game play in destiny but at least i could have done raids and pvp if i wasn’t (just wasn’t a game for me, sorry guys) Guaranteed people will get bored in less than 10 hours of NMS. The game should be $20 out of the gate due to lack of content and made promises.

          • Trailmix

            I actually agree. Destiny grinding is way better than No Mans Sky grinding.

          • wow

            exactly…

          • Iron Patriot

            Then you are hard to keep entertained, there is still objectives in No Man’s Sky!

          • wow

            please tell me what you think the objectives are besides aimlessly going to planets, to see almost the same creatures as the last planet, no player interaction, no missions, no real gear to collect beside maybe making your ship a bit better but for what reason?
            Please tell me all the objective in NMS

          • Iron Patriot

            Once you collect 10 Atlas stones you can go through and complete the Atlas path and If you make it to the centre of the galaxy you can also follow another path!

          • wow

            so you are buying a $70usd game to search for 10 stones? I wonder if you own a bunch of apple products too…

          • Iron Patriot

            If they were straight up lies it’d be illegal and he’d be arrested, people rushed the game wither he liked it or not! Yes it was an eff up but its kind of hard to get things done in time when people are getting so incredibly pissed that you haven’t put a game out yet.

          • Iron Patriot

            and I only get Apple products as my dad gets them free from work as that’s what he does. He gets iPhones for him and his colleagues.

          • wow

            How’s the game now?
            E3 2014 vs reality youtube video: “Welcome to No Man’s Sky [Jurassic Park Parody]”
            Generic planet/ecosystems, terrible graphics, aimlessly wander. I don’t know if I would buy it for $15.

        • Jason Mounce

          Computer Scanning Simulator.

        • Iron Patriot

          What’s the objective for most games? CoD: play, rank up, get new guns. Halo: play, rank up, get new armour. Battlefield: play, rank up ,get new guns. Borderlands: play, rank up, get new guns. Even flippin’ Disney Kinect: play, rank up, unlock more levels! You see don’t give Destiny crap when every other game is based around the same algorithm you just mentioned plus story plus increasing your skill at the game!

      • Iron Patriot

        by the way No man’s Sky does have 2 objectives plus a free roam!

    • Very true, yet NMS is complete trash

    • Andrew Goodman

      Beat me to it.

  • Frdjck

    Yes, let’s compare Destiny with NMS. AAA 500 Millions$ rumored budget vs a indie devolloper that received death threat when he delayed the game for 2 months.

    • d0x360

      Enough with the death threat crap. First off a few anonymous troll children on twitter don’t count as real threats. Ive gotten death threats on twitter for Christ sakes.

      Second every game company ever has gotten the same because lots of kids play games plus the internet is full of just as many immature trolls as it is normal people.

      Omg someone said something bad in twitter…wow. since the inception of the internet people have been saying stupid things and nothing will ever stop that. Only a moron would pay it attention.

      As for Sean Murray himself…well everyone should be taking jabs at him for outright lying about 75% of the games content. The man has no business making games and Sony should be ashamed of themselves as well since they were just as responsible for all of this. They knew what was and wasn’t in the game yet they kept showing it all off and letting Murray spew his lies everywhere.

      I hope he made enough money from this game to retire because he’s ruined his name and his company. Nobody will trust him ever again. Well almost nobody. We still have the hardcore rubes who defend him and the game for some insane reason. No normal person could honestly defend what they did here.

      • J.j. Barrington

        Might not be credible, but a death threat is still a death threat.

        • omarcominyo

          Would you lose sleep if a kid online threatened you?

          • J.j. Barrington

            I laugh when people right in my face threaten violence, so I’m probably not a good person to ask that question.

          • d0x360

            Sure you do. ROFL. You seen like the kind of guy who would push a girl in front of him, toss his wallet on the ground and run away as fast as possible.

            Cuck.

          • J.j. Barrington

            I seen?

            lol. Failed again, even after three days.

          • d0x360

            Once again picking about silly grammar or spelling mistakes on messages I typed in 20 seconds on my phone without proof reading just points out that it’s absurdly OBVIOUS you have no actual argument.

            Sad really.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Sadder than voting up your own comments?

          • d0x360

            Haha haha I knew it.

            I did that just to see if you would bring THAT up instead of actually presenting the points I’ve been asking for.

            You don’t have a leg to stand on and absolutely no basis for a legitimate argument or discussion so you find the most inane pointless things to harp on.

            Don’t worry about it. I knew from post 1 you had nothing to offer.

        • d0x360

          No…no it’s not. If you would worry yourself with the ramblings of anonymous idiots and let anything they say have any real effect on you maybe the internet is something neither of you can handle

          • J.j. Barrington

            Sure, sure.

          • d0x360

            Yes sure.

            Oh no the anonymous 13 year old on twitter said he will kill me watch as I shiver in fear… God someone save me.

            Give me a break. Pure hyperbole.

          • J.j. Barrington

            You DO need help.

          • d0x360

            I need help because I don’t let the ramblings of teenage trolls don’t bother me?

            Nah I’m good. You might need some help though. No shame in it.

          • J.j. Barrington

            ” I don’t let the ramblings of teenage trolls don’t bother me?”

            No, you need help because of nonsense like that which, somehow, you believe to be coherent.

          • d0x360

            God you’re ignorant

          • J.j. Barrington

            You certainly are.

          • d0x360

            Excellent rebuttal, I’ll send you a gold star in the mail

          • J.j. Barrington

            I’d prefer that you don’t.

            What rebuttal is needed to such an unimaginative remark, to begin with? Given the general state of your comprehension skills, it’s not as if anything in-depth I sent your way would even be understood.

            Hell, maybe I should have dumbed this reply down…

          • d0x360

            Enlighten me. Tell me exactly how my comprehension is wrong and make it as simple as you possibly can.

            Start from post one oh mighty genius of the internet

          • J.j. Barrington

            Well, just for starters, you don’t have a “comprehensive.”

          • d0x360

            Omg I made a typo likely because of auto correct.

            Again…tell me exactly instead of avoiding the question. Present me with facts that refute anything I’ve said and do it as simply as you can so everyone who comes here and reads this silly little troll fest knows exactly what’s going on.

            Or you can keep avoiding the issue and look for tipos

        • Iron Patriot

          So there’s no difference between ISIS saying we’re gonna kill you and an 8 year old saying, this game is taking ages, die!

          • J.j. Barrington

            So these were 8 year olds?

          • d0x360

            According to our resident social justice warrior JJ no there is zero difference.

            He needs all of us to be safe from the evil children and their words.

      • GWP316C

        Any Love Threats?

        • d0x360

          I send love threats all the time to my wife.

      • Artista Batista

        Don’t really get why people send death threats. If you can’t appreciate it, why threaten the ones who made it?

    • Chuck Green

      NMS is a big steaming pile of crap! If we got the game we were promised and shown over the years it would have been okay probably. This is also reflected by the fact that anyone who asks for a digital refund is essentially getting it, no questions asked on every platform. Destiny on the other hand has also been a huge letdown for me. I have a lot of hours played on it but it’s going to take a lot more than one of their expansions to get me to play again. Considering how lacking in content the game has been since day 1!!! They haven’t created a single new character model or asset since vanilla destiny! They just keep re-skinning existing models and using the same old tired locations.

      • Sol Malus

        I honestly suggest you look into The Destiny Collection.

        • Chuck Green

          I have Kings fall. Why would I want the collection?

          • Sol Malus

            Well, I suggest Rise then.

      • Alarnt

        You Sir, are talking bullshit. “Considering how lacking in content the game has been since day 1!!! They haven’t created a single new character model or asset since vanilla destiny! They just keep re-skinning existing models and using the same old tired locations.”
        This shows just how little Destiny you actualy have played

        • Chuck Green

          Yes with my 1300+ hours in Destiny I can see how I know nothing about the game! Please tell me oh wise sage what new character model has been created recently?

        • Chuck Green

          My mistake, I only have 1232 hours played in Destiny.

          • Alarnt

            So… Pretty much a noob

      • Iron Patriot

        There has been 2 new locations from the start of destiny, almost all of the raids, strikes and maps are unique and the guns look very different now! Plus there has been new swords, class models, armour sets and mechanics! You obviously only played it for about 2 months after release!

        • Chuck Green

          I think you don’t know what a character model is. There have been a couple few new crucible maps and 2 raids added since launch!! But other than Crota and Oryx being a larger slightly tweaked version of a knight there are no new character models. The Dark below strikes were rehash’s of existing maps, and house of wolves was also largely a reuse of assets. They added the reef which is not needed at all and mercury which was supposed to be in the game at launch along with trials of Osiris. You’re being played for a fool. But you go ahead and keep sticking up for companies that screw you over. No skin off me.

          • Iron Patriot

            I don’t think I’m getting screwed over when I am going to be getting 7 years of free gaming after the rise of iron!

          • d0x360

            Pallet swaps for all and bad so to boot.

            It’s weird because the AI in halo is phenomenal especially on legendary so wtf happened? Microsoft let them use the Halo engine for destiny since ms still owns a piece so they make money on every copy.

            Also a shame the lead writer was so upset they gutted the story and put it in grimoire cards he left bungie and went back to MS. Right now he’s working on record which looks amazing. It’s like Metroid meets MegaMan.

        • d0x360

          Forgetting that you had to pay to make destiny a better game it was still a major failure. Small instanced missions that were essentially identical in structure. Massive gorgeous maps…that are mostly empty.

          Shame really but the bigger shame is people keep giving bungie money on the hope that they will actually fix it.

    • Sol Malus

      That budget is Activision’s marketing budget for the FRANCHISE.

  • LordCancer Kain

    memorable? lol

  • T40Rs731N

    Too bad your headline doesn’t match the article…or what was said.

    • Jim Layhe

      was thinking the same thing. click-bait article for shit clickers like us… = shit storm is brewing.

  • Trailmix

    Aha, but Destiny has nothing to boast. A fun game, but a time and money sink.

  • Propranolol50mgonceadayforever

    So, in reality, he stated his issues with No Man’s Sky, yet was completely respectful about it and was nothign at all like your hyperbolic headline would suggest….shots fired indeed….

  • Mark Matheson

    You do have to love the exaggeration of headlines such as this one. Seems more like a reminder to those who moved on that Destiny exists and there’s new DLC for us to spend money on.

  • BelAirBoss

    Oh Bungie……Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

  • GWP316C

    I love it 1 scammer attacking another f u both

  • angh

    Maybe Bungie would actually think and add something like group finder or smth like that? it’s pretty much unplayable for me, as for even simplest story missions I have be extremely careful to finish. And this functionality were there already at start (got myself ps4 destiny edition and was quite fun at start).